What are your favourite effects? Joe Carrell takes the McDSP APB through its paces, using Kinetic Drive, Royal Mu, Royal Q, L-18 Limiter, Chickenhead Compressor, C673-A Compressor and Moo Tube plug ins on the James Dupré song ‘Another Love Song’.
It is amazing unit. Anyone with ear can hear how amazing it sounds. I mix my groups on the analog console with outboard gear but if not, THAT gives you really the sound of analog.
Waoh this APB really bridges the gap between both worlds and it's audible and clearly not hype. Joe your da man, thanks very much for the real life demo and a big thanks to the PLAP team
So Good Joe!! Your style of detailed common sense explanations is so much like Sir Warren!! Great video and maybe Santa will bring me one of these for Xmas!!
I understand that PLAP is geared, generally, more towards live recorded material but for a video like this I think it would be really helpful to A/B the unit against some tracks that were made wholly in the box. No mics, preamps, cabinets - pure digital because after all, those things add their own analogue flavour to sound already. Personally I am only very slowly starting to get into using mics to record audio having spent the last two decades working almost exclusively with MIDI and samples.
Interesting. Many of the plug-ins/circuits in there seem to be analog emulations of other circuits as opposed to a digital emulation (like VST plug-ins). For example, the tube limiter doesn't have tubes in it, I don't believe. Definitely blurring the lines.
Wait, so the 16x box only allows us to use 16 mono/8 stereo instances of a plugin? So let say, if I have an EQ, Comp and a drive on a bus I already used 6/3 processing cores?
@rareos You can have multiple apb plugins on one channel of audio and the apb will use one (mono) or two (stereo) of its 16 channels for each instance. The best way to think about the apb is as 16 hardware inserts that are using one channel of conversion each. What makes the apb amazing is that each hardware insert has a plugin to control it and provide sample accurate automation. Hope this helps.
My understanding is that there is no analog compression in this unit, nor tubes. The analog element is from the saturation. Not sure if there is EQ in there as well. Can anyone confirm this?
No, it's not just saturation it;'s digitally controlled analog for instance when you operate the APB‑16 as a compressor or limiter, side-chain detection, equalisation and so on is handled in the plug-in, which then sends a control voltage to an analogue device within the APB‑16 telling it how much gain-reduction to apply at a given moment.
I want one of these. Random comment...probably not a finished mix. The lead vocal sounds lispy, especially the de-essing on the first "song". Joe doesn't usually let these things slip through.
Yeah these are raw tracks listening to the effect bus treatment only would have. That allow us to get heavier handed with the plug-ins to hear the flavor and not to worry about not being able to add very much processing because of treatments that have been going down line. Thank you for watching!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell I think the concept is incredible and I believe it breathes analogy, but I think they failed in not having an option card for future proof, like we have in the apogee symphony, Lynx or uad rack.
Not really. They are a small company, supporting thunderbolt devices for windows takes much resources (ask UA) and the majority of higher end studios use Macs. So it most likely does not make sense from an economical point of view to support Windows.
@@henrikpetersson3463 the majority of high-end mastering studios are PC based. This isn't a system that suits recording or mixing due to the 16 x device only supporting 8 stereo effects in total. That limits suits mastering, that's why it''s short sighted. The studios who generally spend the most on equipment can't use it.
@@d-zone This thing was built for mixing. And you can get up to 80 channels by daisychaining more units. It’s not as if you have to use it on every track or that you can’t bounce tracks. I feel like you’re grasping for straws to be honest.
Yeah, looks and sounds cool but reminds me too much of LiquidMix32 which is sitting idle now because it does not work with Win10. Hopefully the same destiny does not wait these units.
At best I would call the Focusrite LiquidMix32 prosumer, it didn't get adopted by a professional audience and although an interesting idea it didn't connect with the demographic Focusrite sells to. McDSP have already sold a lot of these to professionals and it is their demographic which of course they understand. Many thanks
What are your favourite effects? Joe Carrell takes the McDSP APB through its paces, using Kinetic Drive, Royal Mu, Royal Q, L-18 Limiter, Chickenhead Compressor, C673-A Compressor and Moo Tube plug ins on the James Dupré song ‘Another Love Song’.
Interesting. Wish it came to Windows!
My favourite effect fab filter saturn 2
@@heavenly_mixingmarvellous!
I bought my first APB three years ago, one of the best purchases I ever made, still exciting to use and always growing with more new plugins.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Yeah, right after we filmed this, they announced another plug-in 😂😂. We were a week to early
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellhaha indeed
Having mastered all levels of hexadecimal mixing, Joe now enters the quantum realm
Haha indeed!
Hahah. Thanks for watching Fred
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellyou rock!
It is amazing unit. Anyone with ear can hear how amazing it sounds. I mix my groups on the analog console with outboard gear but if not, THAT gives you really the sound of analog.
Thanks for sharing Olek!
Indeed it does. Thank you for watching!!
I own two APB-16’s. Incredible, versatile, and.. recallable ❤
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Congrats Mark 🎉
Waoh this APB really bridges the gap between both worlds and it's audible and clearly not hype. Joe your da man, thanks very much for the real life demo and a big thanks to the PLAP team
Thank you for watching Joey
Pretty killer unit, I’ve been very interested so glad to see this review.
Marvellous! Thanks William!
Thank you for following along William!
Thats a killer bass tone!
Certainly is!
Great video! It's fun to watch Joe enjoy himself.
Thanks for joining in!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You Rock!@@InTheMixJoeCarrell
I see Joe, I click. No questions asked:)
That’s extremely kind! Thank you very much
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellvery nice! Ha
JOE! Great to see you
Marvellous
Thank you! Great to be back with a new video 🎉
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellKeep them coming Joe- you're the best.
So Good Joe!! Your style of detailed common sense explanations is so much like Sir Warren!! Great video and maybe Santa will bring me one of these for Xmas!!
Thank you Doug!
You Rock Joe!
Thanks Doug! Yes, Joe is a perfect compliment to us here at PLAP! He's the man!
This thing just needs a hardware control surface and it will literally be the future of mixing. If AI doesn't eventually take over that is
With the forthcoming 360 link software from SSL you would indeed be able to control these with their UC1 control surface
If you want analog it's the most you'll get for the money by far IMO.
Thanks for sharing!
I understand that PLAP is geared, generally, more towards live recorded material but for a video like this I think it would be really helpful to A/B the unit against some tracks that were made wholly in the box. No mics, preamps, cabinets - pure digital because after all, those things add their own analogue flavour to sound already. Personally I am only very slowly starting to get into using mics to record audio having spent the last two decades working almost exclusively with MIDI and samples.
If it wasn’t that pricey i’d get it but i’d rather buy some Locomotiv gear. Thanks forcthe review, JoeZy.
You bet. Love me some locomotive audio too
Interesting. Many of the plug-ins/circuits in there seem to be analog emulations of other circuits as opposed to a digital emulation (like VST plug-ins). For example, the tube limiter doesn't have tubes in it, I don't believe. Definitely blurring the lines.
Tôi rất thích, bởi vì nó rất ấn tượng
Marvellous! Thanks ever so much!
It sure is!
Royal probably Curve Bender (British monarchy).
Haha indeed
Could be! Seemed very soft on the top end like a passive circuit would be
Question, does the software compensate for the D>A>D round trip through the converters and back into the DAW?
It must report delay compensation back to the host DAW like any other plug in would as I have noticed no problems
Just trying to learn "The Craft!"
The PLAP channel is a great tool for that! Welcome Brian 🎉
YES! It's all about the craft!
Thanks Joe! You Rock!
7000€ !!!
I prefer use a Neve 5059 +Neve mbp with this price,or Avid carbone+ Neve mpb
Wait, so the 16x box only allows us to use 16 mono/8 stereo instances of a plugin? So let say, if I have an EQ, Comp and a drive on a bus I already used 6/3 processing cores?
If your three instances are stereo you would have used 6 of 16 available channels.
Correct. There are that many channels of conversion to run through that same number of analog circuit chains within the device.
@@michaelmatarese322but it can’t daisy chain when you have the plugins on the same channel or?
@rareos You can have multiple apb plugins on one channel of audio and the apb will use one (mono) or two (stereo) of its 16 channels for each instance. The best way to think about the apb is as 16 hardware inserts that are using one channel of conversion each. What makes the apb amazing is that each hardware insert has a plugin to control it and provide sample accurate automation. Hope this helps.
Are there several DAAD conversions when you throw several of the plugins in a chain?
but the box doesn't have tubes
Haha Noooooo! Haha
Correct. The harmonics and saturation are added via opamps etc
8k for that machine is a bit too much for what it does really
My understanding is that there is no analog compression in this unit, nor tubes. The analog element is from the saturation. Not sure if there is EQ in there as well. Can anyone confirm this?
No, it's not just saturation it;'s digitally controlled analog for instance when you operate the APB‑16 as a compressor or limiter, side-chain detection, equalisation and so on is handled in the plug-in, which then sends a control voltage to an analogue device within the APB‑16 telling it how much gain-reduction to apply at a given moment.
Whatever Joe says I believe it blindly
Haha he’s pretty darn amazing isn’t he?
@@Producelikeapro a stroke of luck for the channel !!!!
@@andreirlmeierhaha indeed
Thank you so much Andre!
@@InTheMixJoeCarrellyou Rock
😊🌊
I want one of these. Random comment...probably not a finished mix. The lead vocal sounds lispy, especially the de-essing on the first "song". Joe doesn't usually let these things slip through.
Yeah these are raw tracks listening to the effect bus treatment only would have. That allow us to get heavier handed with the plug-ins to hear the flavor and not to worry about not being able to add very much processing because of treatments that have been going down line. Thank you for watching!
Thunderbolt 3?
With the proper adapter yes. This one is connected to an M1 Mac Studio.
@@InTheMixJoeCarrell I think the concept is incredible and I believe it breathes analogy, but I think they failed in not having an option card for future proof, like we have in the apogee symphony, Lynx or uad rack.
I hate watching these video bc the price tag on the apb😂😪
Haha. Yeah it’s not cheap. But I get it. Lots of channels of high-end conversion and circuitry in there. Thank you for watching!
Haha yes, it's not cheap but it's amazing!
It's pretty marvellous Joe!
quite short sighted releasing it as a mac exclusive.
Not really. They are a small company, supporting thunderbolt devices for windows takes much resources (ask UA) and the majority of higher end studios use Macs. So it most likely does not make sense from an economical point of view to support Windows.
@@henrikpetersson3463 agreed. Still a bummer though!
@@henrikpetersson3463 the majority of high-end mastering studios are PC based. This isn't a system that suits recording or mixing due to the 16 x device only supporting 8 stereo effects in total. That limits suits mastering, that's why it''s short sighted. The studios who generally spend the most on equipment can't use it.
@@d-zone This thing was built for mixing. And you can get up to 80 channels by daisychaining more units.
It’s not as if you have to use it on every track or that you can’t bounce tracks.
I feel like you’re grasping for straws to be honest.
Sounds great!! Would love to try it. 😃
Yeah, looks and sounds cool but reminds me too much of LiquidMix32 which is sitting idle now because it does not work with Win10. Hopefully the same destiny does not wait these units.
7500€ and no Windows support. 😬
At best I would call the Focusrite LiquidMix32 prosumer, it didn't get adopted by a professional audience and although an interesting idea it didn't connect with the demographic Focusrite sells to. McDSP have already sold a lot of these to professionals and it is their demographic which of course they understand. Many thanks
75% less talking would be good.